Vanir/Aesir theory was proposed for deletion. This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was to delete.
- Original, suspect research by User:Kenneth Alan who continues on inserting this sort of material as if it were fact. RickK 21:21, Jun 13, 2004 (UTC)
- Delete: The theory that the Vanir represented a people conquered by the invading Germanic tribes (who brought the Aesir with them and encoded their victory as a war between gods) goes to Snorri Sturlusson in 1200 AD Iceland, at least. The author of this article doesn't like this "theory," wants to make it part of the (real) 19th century nationalist archeology, and then wants to make one's position on this "theory" a reflection of one's present-day ethnicity. It's pretty weird. When I studied Anglo-Saxon and Old Norse, we never heard that Snorri Sturlusson was a proto-Nazi. Astounding article! I'd hope for a bibliography five yards long, if it weren't personal, idiosyncratic, and conspiracy minded. (Sorry for being wordy, but this is an area I do know.) Cleanup would mean stripping, and the relevant facts of the Vanir/Aesir can be (and is, I think) in the separate articles on Aesir and Vanir. Geogre 22:53, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- delete. Zw 23:13, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. Original research. —No-One Jones 04:32, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- Delete, reluctantly. The theory of the two ethnic groups and two god groups may well deserve a page. It is hardly unquestionable, and relates also to turn of the last century theories about Aryan conquerors; the persistance of beliefs about those alleged conquests long after they've been shown to be speculative is a bee in my own bonnet as well. Most of this text is probably beyond cleanup, though. Smerdis of Tlön 16:00, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- Delete. I did a chunk of rewritting on this because I have a low bull tolerance for this sort of thing but the history pages made it clear that just getting rid of it was going to be hard to push through. See the related page Non-Indo-European roots of Germanic languages. I have found a couple of reputable researchers pursuing something similar, but if Vanir/Aesir theory goes it should probably go too. Diderot 20:17, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- Delete -- One could rename by moving to "Vanir/Æsir theories" (not "theory" and with proper spelling "Æsir") and write an excellent POV article on different ideas put forth by different scholars, e.g. that the Vanir were gods of an earlier Scandinavian people and the Æsir were later imports, or George Dumezil's theories that the Vanir are just as Indo-European as the Æsir, but belonged to a different category of gods in the Proto-Indo-European system, related to the Nasatyas of Hindu mythology and the Dioscuri of Greek cult (rather than the Dioscuri of Greek mythology.) Lots of good stuff. But I don't see anyone interested in doing this at the moment. I'm not. jallan 14:59, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- Delete -- it's just an assumption and definitely not NPOV; might be moved over to wikisource as an essay? -- towo 16:11, 2004 Jun 19 (UTC)
- Deleted, but I resent people putting the spin on it as if it were a Nazi work. Back in the olden days the vikings had no fear of Jewish people calling them Nazis because they had no reason to. Ever since WWII there is no permissability for discussion of related matters to any positive perception. Thank you POV Mainstream Media, you make the world kiss your ass! Lord Kenneð Alansson 20:21, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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